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| Daemon Keido | Apr 4 2017, 12:28 AM Post #16 |
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| Sam | Apr 4 2017, 12:55 AM Post #17 |
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Let me step in here for a moment. And let me preface this by saying I don't think anyone meant to upset anyone and this is a simple misunderstanding that happens in political discourse. First, I'm gonna start with you Piper. You consistently handle yourself in a mature manner. And I do not think that you had any ill will, malice or negative intent when you made the mistake of misreading Tinny's post. However, I'm sure you can understand that combined with the Ben Franklin quote could quite easily be irritating, especially with the negative implication the quote makes. However, I do not believe you were acting with negative intent when using this quote:
Not only did you misread his post - which you are correct in saying is a common human error - but you also unintentionally implied through that quote that if he does hold that belief regarding the NSA that he does not deserve security or liberty. At least, that's how I interpreted this as a relatively unbiased reader. Especially since Tinny was not saying that at all - part of the whole misreading aspect. Even if he had, though, that's clearly not something you imply to someone just because you disagree with them. Context here is very important. I'm sure you can understand through his perspective now the source of his irritation and why he responded the way he did. Tinny, as I said, I understand why you got frustrated. However, in the future, please step away momentarily and clear your head - do not get irritated at him on the boards. This is likely only going to cause him to negatively reciprocate towards you and sour the tone of the discussion for everyone else. This could have been solved with a quick PM saying he misread your post and he could have edited his appropriately, as well as explain to him that the nature of the Ben Franklin quote carried a negative implication that you took some offense to. Please keep that in mind in the future, we're not perfect - no, none of us are - I certainly lose my s*** on plenty of people; however, this is just something for all of us to remember going forward. Piper, the advice I just gave to Tinny comes back to you when you chose to respond very condescendingly. Instead of realizing that you made quite a negative implication towards him with that quote - especially when Tinny was not saying that about the NSA at all from what I can gather - you could have taken the high road and PM'd him or made a post here explaining that you simply misread. ![]() Responding to ad hominem with ad hominem gets everyone nowhere. It's now suddenly personal and both of you had opportunities to avoid that. Take a break, catch your breath, calm down a little and come back instead of responding with something off the cuff that obviously will not solicit a constructive response. It's an emotional reaction to a simple mistake. Instead of retaking control and clarifying yourself in a collected manner, Piper, you pretty much replied with the same level of irritation. I have to ask both of you to ask yourselves: what will that accomplish? It's a rhetorical question, yes, but a personal one to keep in mind when things inevitably get heated in a political debate as they tend to do. I'm now noticing some passive aggressiveness between Daemon and Piper - possibly because Daemon is friends with Tinny and as Daemon's friend I know he is quite protective. Piper is already irritated that Tinny got irritated with him and so now the discussion begins to sour. Daemon, typing in bold and in caps at him is only reinforcing that. Piper and Tinny did not choose to take the high road I outlined above. One responded emotionally rather than rationally and so now the other is agitated as well - at least towards this discussion or the people they're having it with. At that point, as someone else involved, your #1 prerogative is not to get emotionally invested as well. Look, I like all three of you. I think all three of you know I like all three of you. And honestly, because of all the political debates we have here, I'm actually surprised this kind of thing hasn't happened already Because it happens all the time; it just does. It's human, it's normal; I don't think any of you had any negative intent, malice or were trying to upset anyone in any way. Tinny, Piper, I recommend you two continue this through PM and make sure you're completely clear on everything I've said and say what you need to say to each other privately and in a level-headed manner. Then we can continue on with the discussion. ![]() I'm going to close this topic for about fifteen or twenty minutes just to let this post be read - sink in - let everyone just take a deep breath and let's cut the condescending/passive aggressive tone out completely as well as the caps lock. It's really not necessary, you're grown men - this stuff happens - and like I said, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner . I'm not going to be warning anyone in any capacity unless this topic goes off the rails again - even slightly. If it does, I'm closing the topic permanently and being pretty harsh with handing out warns. That includes going forward in the future. So if this topic gets problematic again through emotional responses, if something similar occurs in the future, the punishment will be much harsher than it would normally be.Once I re-open this topic, please let me know if I'm loud and clear. If there are any questions, complaints or concerns that I didn't address or that you still want to voice, either message me on Discord or send me a private message here on the forums. I'll respond to you as soon as I possibly can. This was just a simple misunderstanding in a political discussion and emotions flared up, I think we all can agree that politics can be one of the most divisive things to talk about. With that in mind, please, let's get back on topic and stay calm and respectful. I think we can all agree that's how we want to be treated and how we want our opinions to be treated as well. I think we can all agree that nobody was intentionally trying to get on anybody's nerves. With that in mind, I hope I was clear and didn't repeat myself too much . I'll be locking this for just a moment so everyone can stop and take this all in. Then I will re-open the topic and we can proceed with the discussion at hand. However, gentlemen, know that I will be paying close attention. If you take offense to something somebody says, PM them calmly first or let me know. I would much prefer if you messaged me and asked me to take a look at it before you respond irrationally. Take the high road, I know you're all mature and intelligent adults equipped to do so. You've demonstrated that on many occasions. I am impressed and a bit proud that this sort of thing hadn't happened much sooner, if there's a silver lining here .Thanks and sorry this was so long! Much love, ![]() Sam P.S. Yes, Tor is quite slow. If you are concerned about internet security, use a VPN! I highly recommend it. I myself use one and have a monthly subscription. It works great - it's fast and keeps me hidden from the government Edited by Sam, Apr 4 2017, 01:18 AM.
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| Political Piper | Apr 4 2017, 03:24 PM Post #18 |
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Sam, Have you considered a career in mediation/arbitration/conciliation? Or is that your career already? O.O JK, but seriously. EDIT: Back on topic. Rand Paul kind of delineates the point of many libertarians, and I guess you could say conservatives, as on the constitutional issues created by the NSA monitoring millions of people, and about Susan Rice and Obama regarding Trump communications. He hits a lot of my talking points on this debate... Short video/interview below Spoiler: click to toggle Edited by Political Piper, Apr 4 2017, 03:47 PM.
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Because it happens all the time; it just does. It's human, it's normal; I don't think any of you had any negative intent, malice or were trying to upset anyone in any way. Tinny, Piper, I recommend you two continue this through PM and make sure you're completely clear on everything I've said and say what you need to say to each other privately and in a level-headed manner. Then we can continue on with the discussion. 
. I'm not going to be warning anyone in any capacity unless this topic goes off the rails again - even slightly. If it does, I'm closing the topic permanently and being pretty harsh with handing out warns. That includes going forward in the future. So if this topic gets problematic again through emotional responses, if something similar occurs in the future, the punishment will be much harsher than it would normally be.
. I'll be locking this for just a moment so everyone can stop and take this all in. Then I will re-open the topic and we can proceed with the discussion at hand. However, gentlemen, know that I will be paying close attention. If you take offense to something somebody says, PM them calmly first or let me know. I would much prefer if you messaged me and asked me to take a look at it before you respond irrationally. Take the high road, I know you're all mature and intelligent adults equipped to do so. You've demonstrated that on many occasions. I am impressed and a bit proud that this sort of thing hadn't happened much sooner, if there's a silver lining here 



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